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Darkshift
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 Posted - 07/20/2002 : 01:45:37
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Hey everyone,
High school is right around the corner,and this will be my first year.This brings up a serious subject.Bullies.
I used to get bullied back in 7th and 8th grade by this guy,Matt.
I had to change schools in 9th because we moved,but I heard that we will be going to the same highschool.Knowing him,he will try his same stuff again,but what he doesn't know is I've been training ever since I moved.
I really don't want a problem,but it seems inevitible.
And the last time I fought someone,I put him in the hospital.So I thought I'd ask my ninja buddies for advice.
I could throw down and teach this guy a lesson he won't soon forget,he looks just like the Thing from fantastic4 so he won't go down easy.But that would get me off to a bad start in highschool.
Or,should I try to avoid him,but then again a fight is imminent.
HELP ME OUT NINJA!!!
I return to the shadows.
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dirithtai
Regular Member
USA
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Posted - 07/20/2002 : 02:54:01
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Well, I would try and avoid him, because smashing this guy into the floor will only do to things, get you in troublle with the school, and get him to "git his posse on ya." My experience with bullies is that they are way too stupid to understand the kind of lesson a beating drives home, they just come back for more. If he does pick a fight with you, dodge a few attacks, put him on the floor, lightly, and get the duck out of fodge, because you can't really win that kind of battle.
Remember, a ninja uses everything as a weapon, even the rules. Get him to attack you in front of teachers till he gets himself expelled. Your problem solved, and you don't have to get in trouble.
Them's my 2 cents, while I admit it would be fun to drop him like a bad habit, it'll only get you into trouble.
"In emptiness there is good but no evil. Wisdom exists, logic exists, the Way exists, but the mind is empty."
--Musashi
Tim
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Heirophant
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Australia
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Posted - 07/20/2002 : 09:10:37
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Remember the ninjas of old had no problems running away when they had to. This guy wins if you get yourself kicked out of school, or make yourself a target of his (probibly) equally stupid friends. There are more effective and safer ways of dealing with his kind than pounding him into the ground, as fun as that would be. As dirithtai said, use everything at your disposal as a 'weapon'.
Takamatsu Sensei said in his scroll of Heaven, Earth and Man;
"As skill with Ninpo improves, the practitioner gets closer to a state where he no longer thinks about fighting, has no need to fight, and all obsticles float past"
Actually thats not a very helpful quote at all!... but anyway, there you go.
Heirophant
Edited by - Heirophant on 07/20/2002 09:12:20 |
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Darkshift
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 Posted - 07/21/2002 : 01:01:18
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Thanks guys,but there is still a problem.Higschool students don't seem to grasp the concept of non violent problem solving.If I were to get ths guy expelled,it would only make his freinds want to pummel me more.Besides,they already want to pummel me(I was none too popular when I knew them),so there's no doubt in my mind that I have to deal with them too.
I do have one idea though.I could have my freinds spread a few rumors about me meleeing on guys bigger than the bully and I also have a freind of equal size to the bully,and if I can persuade him to let me knock him out in a staged fight,I may be able to use the bullies own fear as a weapon.
It might make him back off,or at least make him think twice.
What do you guys think?
I REEAALLLLY hate teenagers(ironic,no?)
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Kitten
New Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/22/2002 : 16:07:37
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What you have to remember is not to become a bully yourself. Once you do this then you are no better than him or his mates.
Have you thought about getting one over on him mentally, not physically? A sharp tongue sometimes works better that a strong fist.
Try and find out something about him and use this through his mates and get them to turn on each other and not you, it's worth a try.
Even little white lies are always good in this situation, spread something around and make it seem like his mates have said it. Then you could always go to his aid?
Just a thought from a bullied person who became a bully and then realised!
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Darkshift
Regular Member
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Posted - 07/23/2002 : 01:08:29
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Good idea kitten,but I'm not sure it will work on him and his friends.They are none too bright,so they probably wouldn't comprehend deception.
There is no easy answer to dealing with this problem.
I won't become a bully.I've never been able to hurt people just for fun.That doesn't mean I won't hurt people at all,if I'm threatend I can be quite vicious, I just don't find joy in it.
Maybe I'm just paranoid too,what if the guy doesn't show up at all?
Oh well,I'll just have to see what happens when I get there.
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ninja-noob@NL
Regular Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 07/23/2002 : 03:22:16
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as far as i can tell , bouncing of a fight can be mutch tougher then doing / winning one...
i was also bullied a lot @ school and maybe i would also beat the crap out of the biggest #cencored# there.
i think it's indeed a good feeling "knowing" that you can handle a fight but i think you should stay away from it.
just to prevent problems and stuff.
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hwadoran
Regular Member
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Posted - 07/25/2002 : 01:47:55
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Hey, Just be prepared for the fight.. Practice hard, and just pretend that the fight could happen any moment. But don't fight him until he throws his first move... If his friends are around just dodge/block him and run. If it's only him.. Well you decide what to do. :-)
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Darkshift
Regular Member
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Posted - 07/26/2002 : 01:06:37
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Wow!A fight back suggestion. Haven't seen many of those.The problem is that with the school system now if I fight back,I'm equally screwed.The ancient ninja didn't care about running away from a fight,but they usually didn't have to come back and do it again every day.
Oh the good old days of fuedal japan.No highschool,no bullies, just famine,persicution,and war after war after war.
Simpler times.
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ninja-noob@NL
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Netherlands
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Posted - 07/26/2002 : 03:51:43
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well darkshift , isnt that the biggest problem? modern times are just harder just because it's a modern time... ;) in the past it all might came more easy.... oh well , we gotta live anyway...
Hatsumi sensei once told " everybody has his own taijutsu , even night club strippers! " :D lol
don't you just instantly love this guy just because of his humour? :)
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Kitten
New Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/29/2002 : 15:23:39
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Don't think about what could happen, think about how you would handle the situation if it did happen.
You must train hard and be the best physically and mentally that you can be to face whatever may come your way.
If you do have to face this guy, alone or whith his followers, just remember that you know what you are capable of and he/they don't. Don't show everything in one go, always use the least huarmfull method, to give him the point, and if that doesn't work then try some harder stuff and so on and so on.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Only you will know how to deal with the situatuion.
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Deathblow
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Posted - 08/02/2002 : 22:12:50
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I don't know about you Ninjutsu people, but if you're ok at karate you should be able to handle yourself in any fight against a non martial artist at purple belt.
Basically most people have no knowledge of fighting, or they think they do (even better) based on a few fights with smaller/weaker people. Most people cannot block a punch or if they can not a followup punch and would have no idea how to defend against a side kick.
If this guy is troubling you and you feel confident, challenge him to a fight away from school. Bring a second to back you up. It's true, most bullies have low self esteem and a confident challenge might make him back down. But if he accepts, use your skill.
I have seen tapes of highschool fights and it usually involves no blocking and 2 second punches. Don't get me wrong, I am not a sparring master here. But any punch that takes that long is a joke.
Also no matter how tough kids think they are, a broken nose ends it. If you can kick head level, do it.
Or don't fight at all, its up to you.
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Darkshift
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Posted - 08/03/2002 : 00:45:55
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I know what you mean.I've been in one of those 2 second punch fights,only I punched faster,and dodged.But highschool kids think that good fighters are the ones that emerge bleeding all over.I came out unscathed,so there was large talk of me not being able to fight,even though my opponents face was bloody and displayed a new boot print on his forehead.
Highschool kids seem to be backwards about fighting prowess.
Ninjutsu teaches stealth and evasion,but in this case I think a good ol' fashioned ass wuppin' is called for.
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Elfin Vampire Heirophant
Frequent Member
Australia
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Posted - 08/14/2002 : 03:56:20
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Mate, I started secondary school at 3 and a half stone(year 7) and was always tiny but real proud of having watched documentaries all through childhood and having read every non-fiction book of any interest in each library of the very many primary schools I visited as we waited for a commission house. The girls in year 8 used to ask me to explain the last lesson we had and for a bit I was pretty popular and looked after, known as "the Professor" or "the Walking Encyclopedea."
 Then puberty hit and I was behind everybody else's times. Eventually being beaten up weekly turned into daily over the next few years until into year 11 and schoolwork irrevocably suffering I was bullied straight out of school.
Boxing didn't help, weight divisions you see so I was punching it out with 12 year olds at 16. Didn't feel good whilst the intent was steadily growing. Carrying around a set of rubberised practise nunchakus helped for a week or two, no-one knew about them but I just felt different. But then I found I really wanted a handgun...alot. Just to have, not to use(yeah, like it never starts that way).
Anyway my mum was a real disciplinarian so I ended up homeless the morning after I'd announced my necessary departure or deferral of the high school certificate. There went those Air Force pilot dreams I spent four years honing with subject selection, grades and a cadetship(including flying hours).
It certainly is a different world getting smashed at the local railway station where your backpack of worldly goods rests, by astonishingly huge 16 year-olds out on remand.
Out there it's all such a game of who's got it over whom.
This is the actual point. This twit, obviously more primordeally menacing in appearance than yourself has a purpose with you: me big monkey/you smart(or little) monkey/you think what me want/you feel how me say.
Makes him tougher at that train-station.
Do not, under any circumstances fight this sh*t.
Go about your business, be assured his fire is more wind and that your water should be more earth. Do not take his sufferings of abuse into your brain, you don't have the first hand information to deal with them as he has. Don't be a sacrificial lamb to have the stresses of others palmed off upon. The next has worse stress and starts you from a lower point of self-respect and takes you lower again, and so on and so forth.
There's a whole world of unfairly crucified individuals out there, if it concerns you then work in a soup-van part time, plenty around but do not be a Jesus.
Be the "god" of your future wife, not abusive males.
Do not fight this person.
End it.
A motion comes: end the motion and walk away. You have that, which he does not, likely the source of his interest in you.
Do not walk away from him, walk from the offending motion of some manequinn-like creature/object which nearly clipped you and laugh, saying, "Geez, that was close."
Stay relaxed and be honest with yourself, act how you feel(stuff manhood challenges, personally I'd simply not want the situation there in the first place).
If you get cornered or pursued where there are no authorities present, your own adrenalin will rise accordingly: so watch him goading you into action solely to prevent himself looking/feeling scared. Go with your honest, inherant emotions and thoughts keeping in mind even for a bully it's alot easier defeating someone whom you're convinced is making a weighty mistake (ie. they're in the wrong personally or are making a ridiculous tactical error in their physical actions).
Half the time fear's just a game of role-reversals anyway and the person you feel fear in front of is actually radiating that emotion to you.
Be indignant, you have that right. A friend told me as I hit the streets, for advice, "Don't accept threats." Walk away and participate no further.
Have I mentioned that I am long winded? 
Edited by - Elfin Vampire Heirophant on 08/19/2002 22:51:54 |
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Kage
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Sweden
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Posted - 08/16/2002 : 09:56:57
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Reading all the input about bullies and how to handle them, one thing strikes me: no one mentions the responsibility of the growns ups. A child in school shouldn´t have to take on this problem all by his/herself. A bully is a person with a screwed up home situation, taking out his anger and fears on other persons. He won´t stop unless the school headmaster, teachers and parents confronts him. There must be some "anti-bully" program at Darkshifts school that can help him from having to fight every day? If there isn´t, I think that Darkshift should contact his parents and let them demand that the school intervens on his behalf. It might seem like a totally yellow way to handle the problem, but it´s probably the only way to get a permanent solution of the problem. And it would lift the burden off Darkshift.
Else, the bully will continue or just choose another victim to pray on.
Discussing to what degree Darkshift should maim or injure the bully will lead nowhere, since the bullies friends will take revenge. The only solution would be to lure him unknowingly to some deserted spot and kill him. That would be a permanent solution and the freinds would not know what happened. But how good a solution is that?
So, the fight is not yours, Darkshift. Let the grown ups handle this for a more permanent solution. Letting someone else, more capable, do the fighting for you is a true ninja tactic.
Kage
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Darkshift
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Posted - 08/17/2002 : 01:24:11
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HI EVERYBODY!!!!
Sorry I was gone so long,I had a mix up with the password thing.
Good news!The guy that I was worried about fighting died!!!
It seriously shocked me when I heard.Apparently he was playing basketball when all of a sudden he collapsed.May have been a heart attack,he was huge.
I didn't hear exactly what happened,but the fact is he's dead!!!
Let's here it for Karmic retribution!!!
And to think,all that worry for nothing.
Thanks for the help anyway:)
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High school bully bashing
