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stebucky
Frequent Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07/08/2004 : 08:15:36
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How far can you go in the eyes of the law, on defending yourself if attacked. In the UK, the law tends to favour the criminal and comes down heavy on those that defend themselves, rather that we should be the victim's, not the victors, I'm asking for your views and expirience's if any of how the law deal's with it in your own countries.
How serious do I take training?... How serious do you take life?........
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kenjin
Regular Member
Venezuela
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Posted - 07/08/2004 : 09:49:38
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I don't really know what the written law says about that here in Venezuela, but I think it appeals in favour to the victim. Not really shure though. I guess i would never know 'cuz, while the written law is strong, the practiced law is not that good: :S
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LCPLPunk
Frequent Member
Canada
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Posted - 07/08/2004 : 12:00:32
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Hearing from both of you, it seems that alot of it depends on the countries laws. I think in America the law favors the victim, or so I hope. :P What I say though is, i'd rather defend myself than get killed.
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NinjaMyers
Starting Member
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Posted - 07/08/2004 : 22:59:04
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When I was in high school I got attacked in my hallway by a man (which is very rare considering I am female. He had me locked in his arms and I used my elbows and legs to hit him and escape. I went to the principals office and they suspended both of us. They told me that any form of defense in the public school system is still considered fighting, because I didn't just walk away. I quesitoned how I could just walk away when he had me in a lock on the ground, and they said once I jabbed or kicked at him I was involving myself in a fight. PLEASE! IS THAT JUSTICE?
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Tenchu877
Regular Member
USA
60 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2004 : 23:01:13
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In Ga. the law is you can only use the minimum amount of force nessary to defend yourself. So if someone punches you and falls down to surrender you cant do nothing too them because they arent a threat anymore. I believe this is the general rule of most if not all of the United States.
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LCPLPunk
Frequent Member
Canada
236 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 08:20:20
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Its unfortunate common sense just isn't the rule anymore. :P
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bigshadow
Regular Member
USA
20 Posts |
 Posted - 07/09/2004 : 12:31:48
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Just fall down on top of them with your elbows and knees in the appropriate places while saying "Pardon me"...
Cheers,
Bigshadow formerly "druss"
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bigshadow
Regular Member
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 12:33:10
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Better yet, say "Are you OK?" as you land with your knee in the groin and the elbows in the neck... HAHAHAHA
Cheers,
Bigshadow formerly "druss"
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stebucky
Frequent Member
United Kingdom
110 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 13:10:43
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Sorry to hear the NinjaMyers. The law can be an a**, I've worked on the doors for 5 years and the pond life we get attacking you and other customers is amazing, had some scum attacking me with a broken bottle, I broke his wrist of the offending arm and his nose, yet the police tried to do me,it took less than a second to do, all on CCTV yet i was looking at getting prosecuted. Until the guy who attacked me, attacked a female police officer, did my charges get dropped
How serious do I take training?... How serious do you take life?........
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bigshadow
Regular Member
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 16:00:41
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I think in Florida according to my concealed carry laws, deadly force can only be used if the attacker is intending to kill or there is a genuine fear for your life or someone else's life. As for physical assault, I don't know. I haven't had to do either, although I do carry often and of course I train in the Bujinkan.
Cheers,
Bigshadow formerly "druss"
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Tenchu877
Regular Member
USA
60 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 18:15:22
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Just being in fear of your life or someone else’s isn’t good enough really. Here in GA there are 3 things that must be proven for the shooting to be legal. I’m not 100% sure but I believe this rule applies for most if not all of the United States. The 3 things are as follows
1) Ability--You must prove that the attacker had the physical ability to be able to do you deadly harm. I.e. if the attacker was a paraplegic then the ability requisite would be hard to prove.
2) Opportunity—You must prove that the attacker has the opportunity to do you harm. I.e. If the Attacker is standing 10 feet from you and holding a knife in their hand then the opportunity requisite could not be made, but if you put a gun in his hand instead of a knife then it would be available.
3) Jeopardy—The victim must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they feared for their life or the life of someone else. Sometimes the loss of personal property can also be added to this requisite…
Sometimes the law really does stink. But oh well that’s life I guess.
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stebucky
Frequent Member
United Kingdom
110 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 20:59:27
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Time:02:46, Date: 10.07.04. I have just come from a nightclub that i use to run the doors on. Two fights later and i avoided the trouble as much as I could, two peole in hospital, these two people looking for trouble, I tried to walk away, God I tried. But in the end it came to it, I won't be beat, I will not fall. For what, some townies as we brit's call them, trying to prove themselves . . . I hurt more hitting them than they felt. But people are not trained like us... Heaven help those that try to do us harm.
I know most of the my buyu friends agree with me,but i know violence is not the way, but sometimes you have to lower yourself to the attackers level to be justified, but then, that ain't enough.
Safe training
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studious_ninja
Frequent Member
Japan
127 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 22:37:10
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this might be the part where i point out that even being in that kind of environment (clubs, bars, large quantities of alchohol) is inviting a fight. the easiest way to avoid a fight is to not be there in the first place. by being there, you're already involved, to a point. but hey, it's your life. ganbatte!
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LCPLPunk
Frequent Member
Canada
236 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2004 : 22:56:24
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The enviroment statement is interesting, and in a way true. Much like, if you dont' want to be a warrior, don't go to war. But what happens when the war comes to you? You dish it out! Now, as for the alcohol-made point, that is a another reason as to why i don't drink. Yes, not all alcoholic instances will turn out bad, but of the ones that do, alot of dumb things happen.
I had a buddy in the Army who got busted for a DUI..he lost all his rank and basically lost about 1600 bucks of money during the span of 2 months. About a year later, it happened again, and once again he lost all his rank. He was a Speciaist, which is the 4th rank from the bottom, it takes about 2 years to get there, and it isn't fun.
I think drinking just invites trouble. :P
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stebucky
Frequent Member
United Kingdom
110 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2004 : 08:50:32
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Its not the drinking that invites trouble, its the quantity, that causes it.
Sometimes trouble in clubs, comes from the door itself, untrained door personel letting the trouble makers in.
Granted as well that some people go out looking for trouble who don't drink.
How do draw the line on that?
As a whole society is going down the pan, technology is evolving, but society is regressing, and it's people like us who train to look after ourselves sometimes have to guide others. Another one of life's little test's.
I think today's world is now based on Darwin's Theory, a sad fact when you look at it, but a fact we should be aware of
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LCPLPunk
Frequent Member
Canada
236 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2004 : 09:14:54
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What do u mean by Darwin's theory? That we are all becoming dumber? :P
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