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bastrix
Starting Member
Spain
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 Posted - 07/20/2004 : 10:42:39
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Hi there everyone, I'm interested in learning ninjitsu, heared its a very complete martial art. Well... some begginer questions here:
Obviously learning ninjitsu differs quite a lot from what we seen in films and videogames I guess... What does it really mean, do you also do meditation apart from learning how to train with weapons?
Is it useful in real life? Thanks for any help!
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LCPLPunk
Frequent Member
Canada
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 Posted - 07/20/2004 : 11:52:24
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Being a ninja..hmm..
I'm probably not qualified to answer that question, but i can give my own two cents. Ninjutsu is a complete martial art, but its also a survival/real-life art.
Alot of arts focus on certain moves and techniques, and don't go outside of those bounds.
Ninjutsu was formed with the realization that 'stuff happens', and things have to change.
As far as video games and films are concerned, i'm sure its probably done like that somewhere..although iv'e never seen or heard of it. I mean, in class we don't go running around looking for trouble, we just prepare for the trouble. :P
Aaron Lucia
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solaris
Regular Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/20/2004 : 15:17:58
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sorry to answer a question with a question but you ask what it means?
there are nine levels of atainment you must fully understand each level to gain the reward that you seek.
to me it mean i have the ability to gain through physical and menatal traiing the full ablility and training to complete what i start. most martial arts are using power to win we use the five elements/states
earth
fire
water
wind
void
these are what we are and what you shall eventualy be if you so choose.
to answer the meditation question yes we meditate but so do a lot of people i have used mediatation a lot olnger than i have trained.
yet i have entered the aryt with a clear and focused mind to this end i am complete..
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bigshadow
Regular Member
USA
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Posted - 07/20/2004 : 16:06:21
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IMHO, the only people who are godan and above have any ligitimacy in calling themselves ninjas. As for what it is, there are numerous articles from much more knowledgable people that can describe it better. I think I read where Soke explained it as well. It is important to read Soke's books.
As for meditation, my current instructor and previous instructor both do not encourage meditation and it isn't necessarily part of the training in the dojo. From what I understand, many things that people in the bujinkan meditate to try and obtain, WILL come through training. To quote a shihan I asked "Is there any specific meditation that I should do?" His reply was "No, just train! It will come with training." Somehow, I feel he is right.
Anyway, that is my two cents worth.
Cheers,
Cheers,
Bigshadow
Ocala/Kukan Dojo
http://kukan.active-logic.com
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LCPLPunk
Frequent Member
Canada
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Posted - 07/20/2004 : 16:50:29
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I agree big! I think a Ninja would just be a Shodan, but Godan sounds better. :P
Aaron Lucia
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stebucky
Frequent Member
United Kingdom
110 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2004 : 18:31:16
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I am a shodan in 5 arts including ninjutsu.
My will is survival alone.
I endure nightmares so you may endure peace.
I think therefore I am, I survive therefore I endure.
The way of the Shinobi
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bigshadow
Regular Member
USA
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Posted - 07/20/2004 : 18:58:19
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Stebucky, I agree with the sentiment of your quote, however, soke has pointed out in his writings that Shodan is just the beginning. Those of us who are still in the kyu ranks have yet to begin. The kyu ranks are preparation for the journey.
In my opinion godan is the turning point because it is at that point that the person has been tested by Soke. I can also say having been a student of a nidan and shodan, and presently being a student of a godan Shidoshi Rob Renner, there is a clear and very distinct difference in their movement and skills.
Anyway, I thought I would just add to what I had said. Additionally, I am not trying to belittle anyone because I have yet to begin, but that is the way I percieve the bujinkan world around me.
Cheers
Cheers,
Bigshadow
Ocala/Kukan Dojo
http://kukan.active-logic.com
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LCPLPunk
Frequent Member
Canada
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Posted - 07/20/2004 : 21:52:06
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Once again i agree with you Big. :)
It's one thing to do moves, but another to feel them.
Aaron Lucia
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stebucky
Frequent Member
United Kingdom
110 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2004 : 18:07:31
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A grade, even a high Dan does not mean you can fight for real( JISSEN ).It is only a belt and some stars!
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LCPLPunk
Frequent Member
Canada
236 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2004 : 10:58:17
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True, but we assume that if you have the training level of a high Dan, you probably can defend yourself. :P
Aaron Lucia
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bigshadow
Regular Member
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2004 : 13:03:10
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I think it depends on how the rank was awarded. If it was awarded based on the student showing up and breathing for a set amount of time, then it may not truely reflect their skill level in the Bujinkan. However, if the student got the rank as a result of observation by the instructor and convincing the instructor that the student has internalized the training, then it most likely will be a fair representation of their skill level.
So yes, rank does not always mean anything, it often depends on who has instructed them.
It reminds me of two different quotes that seem to ring true...
"I would rather have rank chasing me, than me chasing rank" -- Unknown
"A student will get the teacher they deserve." -- Soke?
Cheers,
Bigshadow
Ocala/Kukan Dojo
http://kukan.active-logic.com
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stebucky
Frequent Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/22/2004 : 20:33:06
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To Big Shadow, and my fellow Buyu who know me.
I have been in fights involving bottles, blades, firearms, to which I add I have lost friends(CPO). I have been heaviley outnumber. In fights I have had my nose broken, cracked ribs, a fractured leg, dislocations of most small bones in my hands.
yet I kept going.
For what?
My Spirit and my Pride.
At the End of it all, through blood sweat and tears I/We(the boys on the door with me) won.
At this time I was'nt part of Ninjutsu.
I was Shotkan Karateka modefied for today.
Now I am all that I have learned over 20 years.
Now I understand my Art's of old more now.
Yet my views will never change.
Maybe some of you have to find out the hard way.
Hopefully most of you won't.
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LCPLPunk
Frequent Member
Canada
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Posted - 07/23/2004 : 01:03:00
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My question is...why were you in all these fights?
Aaron Lucia
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stebucky
Frequent Member
United Kingdom
110 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2004 : 03:21:46
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a. Looking after those, who cannot look after themselves.
b. It was my job.
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LCPLPunk
Frequent Member
Canada
236 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2004 : 10:32:17
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Definately GOOD reasons then! :)
Aaron Lucia
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stebucky
Frequent Member
United Kingdom
110 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2004 : 19:48:28
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Hiya LCL, i'm a friend of stebucky's... He's saved my life more than once and has at other times stopped rape and other acts worse than death... wishing you all peace in the future... His *adopted* litle sister
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What does being a ninja mean?
